Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 16:53:41 -1000 From: mgraves@leadingedg.win.net (Michael Graves) Message-Id: <1055@leadingedg.win.net> Subject: X-1 abuse This past weekend we really tortured a Jordan Air X-1.This was on the occasion of the 4th annual Sandbanks Provincial Park kitefly near Kingston, Ontario. You know how things go around the office, people making jokes about "go fly a kite", we Ilene invited her boss (owner of the company) to come out a give it a try. She never imagined that he'd show up. Boy was she surprised when he and his wife pulled into the park! They had never before flown stunt kites, and were eager to try. When I looked in our bag I found that we were equipped for my use, not for a beginner. We had a Jabberwocky, a few kites of our own design, and the X-1. The Jabberwocky was too fragile for the 10-12mph winds, and I had no spare 2 wrap rods at home, our own kites are too hard for an absolute beginner to fly, so we put up the X-1. They drove it hard into the ground repeatedly, averaging about 15-20 seconds aloft each time. This went on for over an hour! The kite did not flinch. Several other kite fliers later remarked that we used an awefully good kite to teach people, and were surprised that it survived. We were all truly impressed. Michael Graves & Ilene Atkins = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 11:54:31 -1000 From: gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organiszation Subject: Re: X-1 abuse Michael Graves wrote: >... so we put up the X-1. > >They drove it hard into the ground repeatedly, averaging about 15-20 >seconds aloft each time. This went on for over an hour! The kite >did not flinch. Several other kite fliers later remarked that we >used an awefully good kite to teach people, and were surprised that >it survived. We were all truly impressed. Dean: If it doesn't break, it's *TOO*HEAVY* Has he no idea? Andrew -- The Kite FAQs are at ftp.hawaii.edu:/pub/rec/kites/faq/* = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1994 06:28:05 -1000 From: ahclem0013@aol.com (AhClem0013) Message-Id: <35f5el$gvl@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: X-1 abuse In article , gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) writes: Michael Graves wrote: >... so we put up the X-1. > >They drove it hard into the ground repeatedly, averaging about 15-20 >seconds aloft each time. This went on for over an hour! The kite >did not flinch. Several other kite fliers later remarked that we >used an awefully good kite to teach people, and were surprised that >it survived. We were all truly impressed. >>Dean: If it doesn't break, it's *TOO*HEAVY* >>Has he no idea? >>Andrew Aww come on Andrew, that's a special top secret nasa inspired frame of unobtainium in that kite, we can't help it, we only no how to do things one way. And thank you Michael, you guys won't believe the new kite(tracerultramasterpro)we'll have at the convention!! aoxomoxoa = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 04:13:09 -1000 From: dquad@aol.com (DQuad) Message-Id: <35k69l$ns1@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: X-1 Abuse In article <35k8nr$gur@news.umi.com>, sritter@umi.com (Sam Ritter x3111) writes: Jordan air abuse?? Where do ya get your supplies from? Isnt there some kind of law against this? They should put up some kinda sign!! Just dont hit it. I heard that some guy from overseas does dEANS framing -Alachuhea or Laurentia or somthin like that. Gotta get back to reality after this SaGa. Must be the Moon er somethin? dQUAD(Dave Arnold) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 04:54:51 -1000 From: sritter@umi.com (Sam Ritter x3111) Message-Id: <35k8nr$gur@news.umi.com> Organization: University Microfilms Inc. Subject: Re: X-1 Abuse I haven't put that much time on my X-1's yet only a few hours practice, and some competition time. I prefer my Pro's a little more strongly. I don't think that Dean puts a better frame in his kites than anyone else. He frames his kites better! My first Pro has Beman PC14s in it straight from Dean, and through 6 months of use and some serious abuse, I've only broken two lower leading edges. There were many times that I thought I would have nothing but graphite shreds for a frame, but after inspection, the frame was in one piece. Through hard black holes and numerous tip stabs, the kite has stood up to the abuse. The kite and frame has taken what would have trashed many other kites! Dean makes Un-f***ing-believable kites. You have to fly them to believe it. These kites let you do what you want to do, without thinking about how to do what you want to do. Sam. Ob Disclaimer: I am a sponsored flyer through Jordan Air and Beman Archery, These opinions are mine. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 06:18:42 -1000 From: andrewh@holly.harvard.edu (Andrew Hawken) Message-Id: <35kdl2$o0h@beta.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Queen Mary & Westfield College, London, UK Subject: Re: X-1 abuse Andrew Beattie (gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk) wrote: : Dean: If it doesn't break, it's *TOO*HEAVY* : Has he no idea? : Andrew Andrew: If it doesn't break, you ain't crashin' it right :-) or... Andrew: Peter needs to reduce the weight of them Peels then! Andy -- ____________________________Andrew Hawken______________________________ "However many ways there may be of being alive, it is certain that there are vastly more ways of being dead" R Dawkins. Home : 0895 420110 QMW : 071 975 5542 AIIT : 0494 677045 Email : A.Hawken@QMW.AC.UK = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:30:04 -1000 From: gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organiszation Subject: Re: X-1 abuse >Andrew: Peter needs to reduce the weight of them Peels then! So where do I get lighter fabric than 1/2 oz Icarex? Mylar has been tried but I think that "rip-stop" mylar is heavier. I seem to remember that the fabric used on the red Rev I at Fano was claimed to be a lighter polyester than Icarex, anyone know what it was, or where to get it? Andrew -- The Kite FAQs are at ftp.hawaii.edu:/pub/rec/kites/faq/* = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:00:03 -1000 From: ahclem0013@aol.com (AhClem0013) Message-Id: <35uqhj$q65@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: X-1 abuse In article , gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) writes: Asking about the lighter fabric than 1/2 oz. Orcon. And it is rip-stop. See me at Wildwood 2 weeks. Indoors. aoxomoxoa = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 08:34:31 -1000 From: sasaki@das.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: Organization: Harvard University OIT/NSD Subject: Re: X-1 abuse In article , gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) writes: >So where do I get lighter fabric than 1/2 oz Icarex? Mylar has been tried >but I think that "rip-stop" mylar is heavier. I seem to remember that >the fabric used on the red Rev I at Fano was claimed to be a lighter >polyester than Icarex, anyone know what it was, or where to get it? Orcon is basically rip-stop mylar, and since mylar is a polyester material, it qualifies as lighter polyester than Icarex. The rip stop threads (usually polyester, although there are kevlar versions) are bonded to the mylar. -- Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications sasaki@noc.harvard.edu Network Services Division 26 Green Street 617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-522-8546 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:24:34 -1000 From: johnsen@eskimo.com (Brian Johnsen) Message-Id: Organization: Cap'n Puget's Roadside Tako Stand Subject: Re: X-1 abuse In article , Andrew Beattie wrote: >>Andrew: Peter needs to reduce the weight of them Peels then! > >So where do I get lighter fabric than 1/2 oz Icarex? Mylar has been tried >but I think that "rip-stop" mylar is heavier. I seem to remember that [ ] That's Or[ck]on. Dave Lord said he had some. Don't know if he has enough for a peel however. 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