Date:	Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:59:04 -1000
From:	saint@minot.ndak.net (Alex St. Clair)
Message-Id: <4a5vr8$5jp@swifty.cfa.org>
Organization: Absolutely none Zilch nada
Subject: Indoor Kites - Where do I start?

I am interested in purchasing a kite designed for indoor flying.  I have a few questions
that I was pondering.

    1.  Which kite should I start with?  I generally fly stunt kites, no quads (yet).  I am
         looking for something inexpensive ( <$100.)

    2.  What designations in mail order catalogs should I notice.  Such as what is the real
         difference between UL and SUL kites?

    3.  Line length and strength requirements.  Where I will fly is _huge_.  I could use
         75' lines if space was the only consideration.  What strength line should I use?

Thanks in advance,
Alex

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Date:	Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:22:04 -1000
From:	Scott Humphrey <humphres@river.it.gvsu.edu>
Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951207141652.27812A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
Organization: Grand Valley State University
Subject: Re: Indoor Kites - Where do I start?

Well lets see where should I start.  I have two ultra light kites and two 
super ultra light kites.  The difference is usually the type of spars, 
fabric, and all the extras.  My SUL Pro Dancer by SkyBurner (the best 
kite in my bag) is a spin off of the regular Pro Dancer, but with this 
kite John took off all necessary items and thinned down the rest.  Right 
off the top of my head the kite weighs in at around 4.5 oz.  I fly it on 
50 lb line or less with anywhere from a 75 foot length to a 15 foot 
length.  I can do this because I don't fly it indoors.  If you intend on 
flying indoors, then your line length will go even shorter.  
You also might want to try a quad line.  Something like a Minergy Deca is 
a good choice because it is extremely light and you can use shorter lines.

Scott Humphrey 


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Date:	Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:44:01 -1000
From:	bfk@aol.com (Bfk)
Message-Id: <4a7n71$38f@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Subject: Re: Indoor Kites - Where do I start?


>    1.  Which kite should I start with?  I generally fly stunt kites, no
quads (yet).  >I am
>         looking for something inexpensive ( <$100.)

There are several models that fit the sub $100 category
X4i - Buena Vista
Spook - Jordan Air
Baby Tana - HQ
all of the above are framed with "micro carbon rods and weigh under 1.5
oz"

>    2.  What designations in mail order catalogs should I notice.  Such
as what is >the real
>         difference between UL and SUL kites?

UL & SUL have been a bit misused and wind ratings tend to be
overexagerated by many companies.  A big factor is weight to sail ratio -
unfortunately very few companies publish such numbers.   SUL generally
refer to indoor or very low 0-2 mph kites but look at the weight.  I tend
to rate sub 8 oz / 8 ft kites as UL, if it can get below 6 oz. in a full
size 8' kite then it may qualify as a SUL and if it gets below 4 oz for an
8' kite, you got something really special.  Unfortunately you won't be
able to find any full size SUL kite for less than $100 (not that I am
aware of)

>    3.  Line length and strength requirements.  Where I will fly is
_huge_.  I could >use
>         75' lines if space was the only consideration. 

75' is way too long for indoor flying.  Indoor flying can be accomplished
on lines as short at 10-15' (with a small kite of course) 20-50# line is
perfect.

Hoy
BFK


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Date:	Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:08:15 -1000
From:	andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie)
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Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation
Subject: Re: Indoor Kites - Where do I start?

saint@minot.ndak.net (Alex St. Clair) writes:
>I am interested in purchasing a kite designed for indoor flying.
>
>    1.  Which kite should I start with?
I'll let others answer these questions, except to say that maybe it's time to
learn Quad - Rev's are nice to fly indoors.

> Where I will fly is _huge_.  I could use 75' lines if space was the only
> consideration.
Where is this huge site that you have access to?  Is there public access for
the rest of us?  Is it anywhere near Basingstoke, England?  <grin>

Andrew
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Date:	Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:08:15 -1000
From:	andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie)
Message-Id: <DJ8Ips.HnB@tug.com>
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation
Subject: Re: Indoor Kites - Where do I start?

saint@minot.ndak.net (Alex St. Clair) writes:
>I am interested in purchasing a kite designed for indoor flying.
>
>    1.  Which kite should I start with?
I'll let others answer these questions, except to say that maybe it's time to
learn Quad - Rev's are nice to fly indoors.

> Where I will fly is _huge_.  I could use 75' lines if space was the only
> consideration.
Where is this huge site that you have access to?  Is there public access for
the rest of us?  Is it anywhere near Basingstoke, England?  <grin>

Andrew
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Date:	Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:20:43 -1000
From:	jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Message-Id: <4a9okr$6q4@gis.umd.edu>
Organization: Project Glue, University of Maryland, College Park
Subject: Re: Indoor Kites - Where do I start?

In article <4a5vr8$5jp@swifty.cfa.org>,
Alex St. Clair <saint@minot.ndak.net> wrote:

>I am interested in purchasing a kite designed for indoor flying.  I have a
>few questions that I was pondering.

> 1.  Which kite should I start with?  I generally fly stunt kites, no
quads (yet).  I am looking for something inexpensive ( <$100.)

So far as I know, there are only two commercial indoor kites which retail
for under $100, the Jordan Air Spec and the Buena Vista X4i.  You should be
able to buy either of these kites for under $80, including line.

The next closest would be the Minergy Deca Zero (quad line) from
Guildworks, which is probably around $125-$150.

Full-size indoor kites tend to be fairly expensive, due to the relatively
high cost of the components used.


> 2.  What designations in mail order catalogs should I notice.  Such as
>  what is the real difference between UL and SUL kites?

Depends on the flyer.

> 3.  Line length and strength requirements.  Where I will fly is _huge_.
>I could use 75' lines if space was the only consideration.  What strength
>line should I use?

The little 4' kites (such as the Spec and the X4i) probably won't behave
too well on long lines.  Both these kites (and the Minergy Zero) come with
lines, so you don't need to worry about that right now.

Most folks use lines of 25# - 80# test.  I've flown on lines as long as 75'
(a Rev I).  Optimum depends on the size of the kite...light line is cheap.
Make up lots of sets and experiment.

Jeff

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Date:	Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:02:02 -1000
From:	dquad@aol.com (DQuad)
Message-Id: <4a9nhq$qvm@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Subject: Re: Indoor Kites - Where do I start?

In article <4a7n71$38f@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, bfk@aol.com (Bfk) writes:

About affordable  indoor kites:

>Spook - Jordan A

Woops.................

The Spookie is from RKites. 

The kite Hoy iz referring to is the Spec from Jordan Air. Micro
rods(AVIA), Turbo Bridle, 1/2 oz icky, cool graphics, and all the good
flyin colors. The Millenium iz cool also.......

Flyin one iz just like flyin.

back to bein' invisible......................dave arnold


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Date:	Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:22:26 -1000
From:	bfk@aol.com (Bfk)
Message-Id: <4aaks2$27p@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Subject: Re: Indoor Kites - Where do I start?

>Woops.................

>The Spookie is from RKites. 

>The kite Hoy iz referring to is the Spec from Jordan Air.

I stand corrected... It's tough trying to keep track of all these kites...

Hoy


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Date:	Fri, 8 Dec 1995 04:16:50 -1000
From:	KITEJAG@MOTHER.COM (John A. Gabby Jr.)
Message-Id: <4a9icf$tol@pa.mother.com>
Organization: Mother.COM
Subject: Re: Indoor Kites - Where do I start?

saint@minot.ndak.net (Alex St. Clair) wrote:

>I am interested in purchasing a kite designed for indoor flying.  I have a few questions
>that I was pondering.

>    1.  Which kite should I start with?  I generally fly stunt kites, no quads (yet).  I am
>         looking for something inexpensive ( <$100.)

>    2.  What designations in mail order catalogs should I notice.  Such as what is the real
>         difference between UL and SUL kites?

>    3.  Line length and strength requirements.  Where I will fly is _huge_.  I could use
>         75' lines if space was the only consideration.  What strength line should I use?

>Thanks in advance,
>Alex

>                                                   <witty .sig under construction>

I would highly recommend the x4i...it meets ALL your considerations,
costs under eighty dollars, and even includes two line sets for flying
in places that have lower or higher ceilings.  As a first indoor kite
it simply can't be beat.  The kite is available through BFK.

John



Think Kindly Thoughts.



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