Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 20:53:11 -1000 From: drkyte@delphi.com (Joseph Schiros) Message-Id: <9310120251592.drkyte.DLITE@delphi.com> Organization: General Videotex Corporation Subject: Cutting line I've seen several references to the use of cutting line (cotton line coated with ground glass.) I have flown fighters with cutting line and, yes, it is very exciting and challenging. I no longer use cutting line and I'll know tell you my reasons. The purpose of cutting line is to cut an opponents kite loose. The kite which is cut free will probably have a length of cutting line attached to it. If this kite is not retrieved, what happens to the cutting line? What if a child finds it? What if an animal gets caught in it? Aren't we talking about sky littering with dangerous materials here? Can you really say that the hazard is negligible? If concerns about people and the environment aren't enough, I'll give you a word that strikes fear into the hearts of many, lawsuit. I would strongly recommend to any kite festival, organization, club, or individual with anything worth losing not to use or allow the use of cutting line. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 10:23:22 -1000 From: mark@murder.demon.co.uk (Mark de Roussier) Message-Id: <750482602snx@murder.demon.co.uk> Organization: damage Subject: Re: Cutting line In article <9310120251592.drkyte.DLITE@delphi.com> drkyte@delphi.com (Joseph Schiros) writes: > I've seen several references to the use of cutting line (cotton line coated > with ground glass.) I have flown fighters with cutting line and, yes, it is > very exciting and challenging. > > I no longer use cutting line and I'll know tell you my reasons. The purpose > of cutting line is to cut an opponents kite loose. The kite which is cut > free will probably have a length of cutting line attached to it. If this > kite is not retrieved, what happens to the cutting line? What if a child > finds it? What if an animal gets caught in it? Aren't we talking about sky > littering with dangerous materials here? Can you really say that the hazard > is negligible? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I've never heard anyone claim the hazard was *negligible*. But its not top of my list of frightening things either. I'd be much more concerned about the hazards of driving to and from the flying site. > If concerns about people and the environment aren't enough, I'll give you a > word that strikes fear into the hearts of many, lawsuit. I would strongly > recommend to any kite festival, organization, club, or individual with > anything worth losing not to use or allow the use of cutting line. > Fine. No festival that I'm aware of in the UK allows the use of cutting line. As for the rest, caveat emptor. That is, if people do something they've been warned is dangerous, and they screw up to the detriment of others, they deserve whatever they get ( maybe more ). But *far* more often, nothing will go wrong. It's circumstances like this that insurance was designed for. I'd strongly recommend any kite flier ( not just fighters ) to get liability insurance. I don't know how easy this is in other countries, but in the UK it's frequently one of the advantages of joining a club. How does your missionary zeal to see the end of the cutting line menace cope with the cultural aspects ? In India I believe there is an entire sub - caste dedicated to the manufacture of cutting line, so basic a requirement is it considered to be. Will you apply a different standard in this case and, if so, on what principle ? I would also guess that many more people are hurt by impacts with non - fighter kites and/or line. This is understandable given the numbers involved, but do you *know* that cutting line kiting is more dangerous when numbers are suitably compensated for ? If not, you must also campaign equally against ordinary sports and single line fliers, or your argument becomes untenable. Mark de Roussier ************************************ Final thoughts, as breath is taken, Fall to rhythm, and the Edge of pure obsession, Resting in that wind blown cradle, Nothing moves, the world is still... ************************************ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 22:10:26 -1000 From: drkyte@delphi.com (Joseph Schiros) Message-Id: <9310140408591.drkyte.DLITE@delphi.com> Organization: General Videotex Corporation Subject: Re: Cutting line Mr. de Roussier writes in response to my comments on cutting line: >I've never heard anyone claim the hazard was *negligible*. But its not top >of my list of frightening things either. I'd be much more concerned about >the hazards of driving to and from the flying site. I was not referring to things that might frighten you. I was talking about respect for others. Mr. de Roussier also writes: >Fine. No festival that I'm aware of in the UK allows the use of cutting >line. As for the rest, caveat emptor. That is, if people do something > they've been warned is dangerous, and they screw up to the detriment of >others, they deserve whatever they get ( maybe more ). But *far* more >often, nothing will go wrong. It's circumstances like this that insurance >was designed for. I'd strongly recommend any kite flier (not just fighters) >to get liability insurance. I don't know how easy this is in other >countries, but in the UK it's frequently one of the advantages of joining a >club. I guess you mean you can do what you will as long as you have enough insurance to cover your behind. In the US, one of the advantages of joining a club is the companionship of other kite fliers. More Mr. de Rossier: >How does your missionary zeal to see the end of the cutting line menace >cope with the cultural aspects ? In India I believe there is an entire sub >- caste dedicated to the manufacture of cutting line, so basic a >requirement is it considered to be. Will you apply a different standard in >this case and, if so, on what principle ? >I would also guess that many more people are hurt by impacts with non - >fighter kites and/or line. This is understandable given the numbers >involved, but do you *know* that cutting line kiting is more dangerous when >numbers are suitably compensated for ? If not, you must also campaign >equally against ordinary sports and single line fliers, or your argument >becomes untenable. I guess these last two paragraphs really ticked me off. Going from, "I don't care, I got insurance" you try to turn into Mother Theresa and worry about manja makers in India. As for India, I was not referring to that country. I would say that if the people there have put up with it for centuries who am I to say differently. Would I apply I different standard to India? I would apply a different standard to any country that has castes. As for injuries from other kiting activities, you are missing the point. By using cutting line on a kite, you are deliberately making it uncontrollable. This is not an accident through mischance. "missionary zeal", "campaign", "your argument becomes untenable"? Hey, we're talking kites here. Get a life, chump. Hey folks, this is fun. - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Joe Schiros Everything is funny aka Dr Kyte as long as it is happening to somebody else DoctorKyte@AOL --Will Rogers 73520.1360@compuserve.com - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 02:29:58 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Cutting line drkyte@delphi.com (Joseph Schiros) writes: >I guess these last two paragraphs really ticked me off. Going from, "I >don't care, I got insurance" you try to turn into Mother Theresa and worry >about manja makers in India. It is difficult to form accurate opinions of people across the net. The summary of "I don't care, I got insurance" is so far removed from Mark's real character that I feel that a character reference is in order. Mark is quiet spoken, but is a particularly valuable member of the Kiting community. Whilst he is an enthustic flier, he tends not to catch the lime-light. Some of the things that he has been doing: The Basingstoke kite festival '92 was a great success despite it being a first attempt. It was a team effort, but to a large extent, it was Mark that did the spade work to make it happen. On the day, he didn't take the glory, instead spending much time on car park duity. There are two main kite computer discussion groups: rec.kites on the Internet and the Kites conference on Compuserve. It was Mark who set up the compuserve conference and he is a regular contributor to rec.kites Mark is a particularly consiencious flier. Recently, he has been working on schemes for making large powerful single-line kites safer to manage. My summary of his attitude would be more like "I recognise that many aspects of kiteing can be dangerous to third parties. I DO care, so I'll make sure that I am insured". I recognise that Mark attitude is more considerate and less selfish than mine, so I feel that I must defend his character. He most certainly has a life. >By using cutting line on a kite, you are deliberately making it >uncontrollable. This statement is not true. Andrew -- Work: gaffer@rec.com Phone: +44 793 614 110 Fax: +44 793 614 297 Play: andrew@tug.com Phone: +44 256 464 912 Car: +44 831 527 614 Interested in kite traction? mail kites@tug.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 22:14:55 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Cutting line mark@murder.demon.co.uk (Mark de Roussier) writes: >drkyte@delphi.com (Joseph Schiros) writes: >> I no longer use cutting line [...] > >Fine. No festival that I'm aware of in the UK allows the use of cutting >line. As for the rest, caveat emptor. That is, if people do something they've >been warned is dangerous, and they screw up to the detriment of others, they >deserve whatever they get ( maybe more ). But *far* more often, nothing will >go wrong. It's circumstances like this that insurance was designed for. I'd >strongly recommend any kite flier ( not just fighters ) to get liability >insurance. I don't know how easy this is in other countries, but in the UK >it's frequently one of the advantages of joining a club. Mark has been going to UK kite festivals for longer and may know better than me, but I've never heard of a ban on manja at any festival. It is my opinion that we should come clean with the insurers and point out that as well as the low risk single-liners and stunt kites that the insurers may be expecting, there are also a range of potentialy dangerous things going on at festivals: Single liners capable of snapping 1-ton lines Rok fighting, where we can reasonbably expect the heavy kites to fall into the crowd Fighting with manja Buggying Power kite flying Sweet dropping (not the danger of the sweet hitting someone, but of kids getting hurt in the rush) I don't see any reason why any of this stuff should be banned or any reason why any *one* of these activities should be singled out for special treatment. As a responsible flier, active in several of these areas, I would be happy if (say) the AKA decided to charge double the insurance rate to cover people doing the more risky activities. Andrew PS: Yes, I missed out anchored stunt flying, manlifting and Joe Public learning to fly a flexifoil in the middle of the crowd. These require either special cover or outright banning. -- Work: gaffer@rec.com Phone: +44 793 614 110 Fax: +44 793 614 297 Play: andrew@tug.com Phone: +44 256 464 912 Car: +44 831 527 614 Interested in kite traction? mail kites@tug.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 09:29:57 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Cutting line Today's tip for making cutting line: If your ground glass mixture is based on flour and water and other good-to-eat stuff, add a portion of strong curry powder, to discourage the things that crawl round your garage from eating your line. >"55 mph is quite fast enough" Nonsense! I won't be happy 'till my buggy is doing at least a mile a minute! Andrew -- Work: gaffer@rec.com Phone: +44 793 614 110 Fax: +44 793 614 297 Play: andrew@tug.com Phone: +44 256 464 912 Car: +44 831 527 614 Interested in kite traction? mail kites@tug.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 06:41:39 -1000 From: sc5@prism.gatech.edu (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) Message-Id: <116937@hydra.gatech.EDU> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Subject: Re: Cutting line In article andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) writes: > >>By using cutting line on a kite, you are deliberately making it >>uncontrollable. >This statement is not true. > >Andrew Here, here! That junk about an uncontolable kite simply by the use of cutting line is rediculous. I wonder if the original poster knows that you only use a couple (well 50' plus) of feet of cutting line and the rest is "normal" flight line. This according to "Come Fight A Kite." Lenght of cutting line depends on total lenght of flight line. As far as safety goes, it should be totally safe if you keep the down wind area clear and let people know what is going on. Of course some people think "55 mph is quite fast enough" according to a BF Goodrich add, to draw a paralel. Cut me a break! -- Steve Cseplo |A| The Mad Hata sc5@prism.gatech.edu |K| AKA Region 4 Director |A| "Hey, mon...Tako Kichi!" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 21:44:05 -1000 From: drkyte@delphi.com (Joseph Schiros) Message-Id: <9310150342591.drkyte.DLITE@delphi.com> Organization: General Videotex Corporation Subject: Re: Cutting line Listen guys I guess I hit some kind of nerve here. From some of the responses to this and other topics, I see a lot of fragile egos out there. Let me make this clear enough so even you guys will understand. If you fly fighters with cutting line. There is a fair chance that a kite with cutting line still attached will be lost. Unless you are flying very close in and have people downfield to gather in cut down kites. This does not sound like a lot of fun. If you are out 1000' feet, you might as well forget about finding lost kites. That ain't the point of this kind of fighting. In India, large numbers of people have these battles. They don't worry about cut down kites. They just put up another one. The kids run around gathering up the fallen kites. These people know about cutting line. How many kids in your area would know to be careful with kite string? Andrew & Steve: It is not ridiculous that a kite that has been cut down is uncontrollable. It is that by definition. I guess you thought I meant that by attaching cutting line to a fighter it would become uncontrollable. Why do you think that I am so ignorant of such things? Are you such experts? Mark may be the patron saint of UK kiting but he wrote me a snotty reply to my comments. BTW, I say comments. No where did I call for a ban on cutting line. I was trying to raise some consciousness, not hell. And as for my credentials on fighter kites rules, look at the introduction to the AKA Figher Kite & Rokkaku Competition Rules handbook. And yes Steve, you can come to my house and look at all the first place trophies and plaques that my wife and I have won flying fighters. Now can we lay this to rest? I am sorry I started it. It wasn't that important in the first place and I've spent too much time on it already. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Joe Schiros Everything is funny aka Dr Kyte as long as it is happening to somebody else. DoctorKyte@AOL --Will Rogers 73520.1360@compuserve.com -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 06:51:04 -1000 From: sc5@prism.gatech.edu (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) Message-Id: <117204@hydra.gatech.EDU> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Subject: Re: Cutting line Hey Joe! I'd love to see your awards. And have the opportunity to fly against you. Maybe in the future it will come to fruition. As far as the other stuff, from my point of view it was just a little flame war, nothing to get REAL upset about. Personally, letting out 1000' of line for anything other than an edurance contest is a bit silly. Fighters on 1000' must be rediculous. If I ever get to India during a festival, sure, but like you say they are used to it over there. Ahh, enough is enough. Later. -- Steve Cseplo |A| The Mad Hata sc5@prism.gatech.edu |K| AKA Region 4 Director |A| "Hey, mon...Tako Kichi!" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 16:15:07 -1000 From: mark@murder.demon.co.uk (Mark de Roussier) Message-Id: <750762907snx@murder.demon.co.uk> Organization: damage Subject: Re: Cutting line -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Firstly, to those of you who think life is too short for analytical language, I guess you'd better hit now :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- [...drkyte opinions about my opinions about drkytes opinions....] In my opinion the argument you advanced in support of your position on the use of glass line had ( as is often the case with generalisations ) serious weaknesses. I sought to identify some of these, in the hope that a debate might be generated which could address these issues. It was not my intention to cause insult. If you are discomforted when called upon to defend particular aspects of your ideas you should probably consider not broadcasting them. As my final comment on this matter, and since I feel that my integrity in this area has been seriously challenged, vis > I guess you mean you can do what you will as long as you have enough > insurance to cover your behind. In the US, one of the advantages of joining > a club is the companionship of other kite fliers. , I will use this thread to illustrate as explicitly as possible an important distinction which forms a part of most of my thinking on health and safety related issues. UK Health and Safety regulations ( I am Health and Safety representative for a part of my company ) make a useful distinction between the terms 'hazard' and 'risk'. A 'hazard' is a fixed and immutable property of a thing or situation - it cannot be eliminated or changed. Thus manja is 'hazardous', period. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be manja. A 'risk' is an assessment, usually expressed as a probability, of how likely it is that a particular 'hazard' will cause a particular problem. To complicate slightly, a problem usually has a weight or size associated with it. A hazard may give rise to a number of independant risks. The important point is that 'hazard' cannot be controlled other than by physical removal of the hazardous item, but *risks* can be. That is, by dint of sufficient effort, a risk can usually be reduced to *any desired level*. Therefore in discussing matters like this, my first concern is to establish the acceptable level of risk, then to consider if that level can be achieved at reasonable cost. This is, of course, a fundamentally subjective judgement. Setting the acceptable level to zero is tantamount to requiring that the hazard be physically removed, and vice - versa. It is when assessing the acceptable level of risk that the weight of the problem ( also a subjective judgement ) becomes an issue. Like most people, I am prepared to accept small non - zero risks in most situations, large risks in a tiny number of cases, and zero risks in a tiny number of cases. Since the amount of energy which I, as an individual, can devote to risk - reduction is limited, it makes sense to me to focus on the more important ones i.e. those where the ( actual risk * weight ) product is highest. Since my assessment of this product for the problem of 'hitting a pedestrian whilst driving to a flying site' is higher than my assessment for the problem of 'person at site gets cut by manja', I'm going to continue to consider reducing the first risk as more worthy of my energies than the second. Note that this is not to say that I will devote *no* energy to the second case. Slightly different strategies are available which use the difference between the actual risk and the acceptable risk. Further, I consider that by using this principle I am actually maximising my 'respect for people'. Mark de Roussier ************************************ Final thoughts, as breath is taken, Fall to rhythm, and the Edge of pure obsession, Resting in that wind blown cradle, Nothing moves, the world is still... ************************************ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 20:33:18 -1000 From: drkyte@delphi.com (Joseph Schiros) Message-Id: <9310160231591.drkyte.DLITE@delphi.com> Organization: General Videotex Corporation Subject: Re: Cutting line Mark, Thank you for the disclaimer on your message. I'm sorry I didn't take your advice. If you think your "analytical language" has properly chastised me, think again. The "get a life" crack stands. A local friend suggested that I chill out on this subject. He suggested that I be more diplomatic. Well, I ain't running for any offices. I think this "flame war" is sort of fun. I like sticking it to windbags. For you lurkers, I am Joe Schiros. I am half Sicilian and half Lithuanian. The Dr Kyte comes from a humor column I wrote for a while. I picked the name because it was somewhat silly and to poke fun at people who write newspapers asking for advice. I was always sorry that the Dr Kyte column didn't stir up more of a controversy. A simple comment on cutting line has gotten me more mail than all my columns. I am 6' tall 225 lbs and devilishly handsome. Sorry, girls I am also happily married. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 05:16:42 -1000 From: fataq@cc.usu.edu Message-Id: <1993Oct16.091642.2055@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Subject: Re: Cutting line In article <9310160231591.drkyte.DLITE@delphi.com>, drkyte@delphi.com (Joseph Schiros) writes: > Mark, > > Thank you for the disclaimer on your message. I'm sorry I didn't take your > advice. If you think your "analytical language" has properly chastised me, > think again. The "get a life" crack stands. > > A local friend suggested that I chill out on this subject. He suggested > that I be more diplomatic. Well, I ain't running for any offices. I think > this "flame war" is sort of fun. I like sticking it to windbags. > > For you lurkers, I am Joe Schiros. I am half Sicilian and half > Lithuanian. The Dr Kyte comes from a humor column I wrote for a while. I > picked the name because it was somewhat silly and to poke fun at people who > write newspapers asking for advice. I was always sorry that the Dr Kyte > column didn't stir up more of a controversy. A simple comment on cutting > line has gotten me more mail than all my columns. I am 6' tall 225 lbs and > devilishly handsome. Sorry, girls I am also happily married. > And modest too! (sorry, couldn't resist) Don fiesinger FATAQ@cc.usu.edu = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 06:36:51 -1000 From: sc5@prism.gatech.edu (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) Message-Id: <118454@hydra.gatech.EDU> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Subject: Re: Cutting line Hey look guys, when was the last time you know of that had a confirmed accident/injury caused by fighter kite cutting line? What's more, how many flights were made that were clear of injury? You might argue that is not the point, but it is. The simple fact of the mater is that life is a series of calculated risks/benefits. If there were 100 flights using cutting line resulting in 2 injuries, that is to me acceptable odds. If on the other hand it is more like a 1 in 4 ratio, then I would say you have cause for concern. What's more, what type of injury are we talking about. A cut hand >From picking up the line? You can get pretty nasty cuts from paper so why don't we ban it also? -- Steve Cseplo |A| The Mad Hata sc5@prism.gatech.edu |K| AKA Region 4 Director |A| "Hey, mon...Tako Kichi!" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 14:07:14 -1000 From: mark@murder.demon.co.uk (Mark de Roussier) Message-Id: <751273634snx@murder.demon.co.uk> Organization: damage Subject: Re: Cutting line In article <118454@hydra.gatech.EDU> sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes: > Hey look guys, when was the last time you know of that had a confirmed > accident/injury caused by fighter kite cutting line? What's more, > how many flights were made that were clear of injury? > > You might argue that is not the point, but it is. > > The simple fact of the mater is that life is a series of calculated > risks/benefits. If there were 100 flights using cutting line resulting > in 2 injuries, that is to me acceptable odds. If on the other hand > it is more like a 1 in 4 ratio, then I would say you have cause > for concern. > > What's more, what type of injury are we talking about. A cut hand > from picking up the line? You can get pretty nasty cuts from paper > so why don't we ban it also? > Err, I think this is what I said in my message 75076207snx only somehow I managed to use 5 times more words :). Mark de Roussier ************************************ Final thoughts, as breath is taken, Fall to rhythm, and the Edge of pure obsession, Resting in that wind blown cradle, Nothing moves, the world is still... ************************************ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 04:22:16 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Cutting line sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes: >Hey look guys, when was the last time you know of that had a confirmed >accident/injury caused by fighter kite cutting line? What's more, >how many flights were made that were clear of injury? I didn't mention this earlier (somehow, the conversation didn't lend it's self to balance), but I have heard of a serious manja injury. I can't tell if the story is true or not, but here is what I heard: Some motorbike rider in India drove into a manja line that had become draped across the road and it cut his head off. As I said, I don't know if it is true, but it certainly sounds plausable to me. Andrew -- Work: gaffer@rec.com Phone: +44 793 614 110 Fax: +44 793 614 297 Play: andrew@tug.com Phone: +44 256 464 912 Car: +44 831 527 614 Interested in kite traction? mail kites@tug.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 10:46:09 -1000 From: sc5@prism.gatech.edu (Stephen P. Cseplo) Message-Id: <121030@hydra.gatech.EDU> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Subject: Re: Cutting line In article andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) writes: > >Some motorbike rider in India drove into a manja line that had become >draped across the road and it cut his head off. > >As I said, I don't know if it is true, but it certainly sounds plausable >to me. > Yeah, sounds plausible. Especially if he was going fast. Steve -- Steve Cseplo |A| The Mad Hata sc5@prism.gatech.edu |K| AKA Region 4 Director |A| "Hey, mon...Tako Kichi!" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =