Date:	Sun, 29 Jan 1995 17:44:38 -1000
From:	amirault@max.tiac.net (Richard Amirault)
Message-Id: <3ghnb6$4bs@sundog.tiac.net>
Organization: The Internet Access Company
Subject: Re: curved spars

I believe the first line of my post was lost....it is,

I'm suprised that no one has mentioned wood spars! If I remember 

Richard



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Date:	Sun, 29 Jan 1995 12:36:47 -1000
From:	lord@eskimo.com (David Lord)
Message-Id: <lord.6.000E9D63@eskimo.com>
Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever
Subject: curved spars

Nate
   Curved spars can be made. I had Clearwater Products make some curved 
battens for me. They were airfoil shaped to camber a stunt kite sail.  The 
spar is wrapped onto the mandrel and the mandrel is held in a curved shape 
during the bakeing process.  After curing the mandrel is removed and the spar 
holds its shape.  The limiting factor is the difficulty in the temporary 
bending of the mandrel. The larger the spar diameter the harder it is to bend 
and hold in position the mandrel during the curing process. The kite used in 
the "Kiteski" package claims to have a curved leading edge spar that is 
permanently bent, but I have not seen it personally. Either fiberglass or 
graphite will work depending on what you want.
                                                              Dave Lord 
                                              


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Date:	Sun, 29 Jan 1995 17:42:12 -1000
From:	amirault@max.tiac.net (Richard Amirault)
Message-Id: <3ghn6k$4ak@sundog.tiac.net>
Organization: The Internet Access Company
Subject: Re: curved spars

I believe that wood spars can be bent. I remember reading about it once, 
but I've never done it. If I remember correctly, you have to make a jig 
to force the spar(s) to the correct bend. Then steam the wood, and allow 
it to dry in the jig. 

Richard
amirault@tiac.net

PS.  Welcome to Karla from Colorado (Karlaroo!) I remember her from the 
GEnie kite section (which was not very active....sigh)




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Date:	Mon, 30 Jan 1995 06:42:36 -1000
From:	Art Newsome <anewsome@rmii.com>
Message-Id: <3gj4ts$aor@potogold.rmii.com>
Organization: Rocky Mountain Internet Inc.
Subject: Re: curved spars

amirault@max.tiac.net (Richard Amirault) wrote:

> 
> PS.  Welcome to Karla from Colorado (Karlaroo!) I remember her from the 
> GEnie kite section (which was not very active....sigh)
> 
> 

richard!!  I did post a message this past week over on Genie
naturally i'm hoping for things to pick up there too! :>

on topic: I'm wondering if some basket makers or woodworking
types might have some help for us in creating curved spars?? 

I'll see if I can talk to a local basketry teacher I know and
see if she has any input too!

Hugs! karla & art newsome! 



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Date:	Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:46:22 -1000
From:	71722.3303@compuserve.com (Nathan Kew)
Message-Id: <950131034621_71722.3303_DHR125-1@CompuServe.COM>
Organization: Harvard University Office of Information Technology
Subject: Curved Spars

Richard Amirault wrote: 
 
>I believe that wood spars can be bent. I remember reading about it 
>once, but I've never done it. If I remember correctly, you have to make 
>a jig to force the spar(s) to the correct bend. Then steam the wood, 
>and allow it to dry in the jig.  
 
Richard: 
 
You are on the right track.  Although, it is easier to steam the spar before
placing it in the jig.   I work at a 
Ship/Boat yard that maintains a vessel repair side.  Some of the repairs we do,
require bending of wooden 
planks up with sections up to 10" x 10".  These large planks bend very easily
after 1/2 hour in a steam 
box.  I suggest; First, make a jig or mold to secure the spar in it's desired
shape.  Second, steam the spar.  
(If the spar is for a small kite, then open steaming over a kettle or boiling
pot will do.)  Third, quickly 
place the steamed spar into the jig.  Wood that has been steam-bent will retain
its sectional properties and 
will not return to it's original shape without further processing. 
 
Sincerely,  Nate Kew:      71722.3303@compuserve.com 



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Date:	Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:58:57 -1000
From:	allanc@syacus.acus.oz.au (Allan Charlton)
Message-Id: <D3AIEA.1K8@syacus.acus.oz.au>
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, ACUS
Subject: Curved Spars

It's easy to make curved wooden spars.  The question is whether they have
the strength/weight/flexibility properties you want.  If they do, then
try this:

Mark out the shape of the curve on a piece of scrap timber (not on your
dining table)
Drive a nail into each end, leaving it proud by enough to hold the spar.
Drive a nail into the centre, leaving it a bit proud.
Test this jig by gently forcing your wodden spar into position.

Steam the spar.  The traditional way is with a piece of steel tube such as
a section of flue pipe, mounted at an angle of about thirty degrees, with 
its lower end in the steam from a container of water that you keep boiling.
(That's not very clear.  You have a fire/hotplate/etc, boiling water in a
pot.  Mount the flue over it so that the steam goes into it.)

Put the spar/s into the flue, and keep the steam flowing.  Sophisticated
systems have a sort of cap or lid on the pot, with an outlet into the flue,
then rags stuffed into the flue ends.  Don't stuff the rags tight, or you
will build up steam pressure.

Steam for an hour or so - experiment, because the time depends on the
size of the spar.  For a 6mm spar (1/4") 15 minutes should be ample.

Take out the spar, slip it on the jig, and let it dry.  It will hold
that shape for the rest of its life or until it gets re-steamed.

If you think that's worth a try, but you are concerned about spar
breakage, then
Choose spars carefully, with particular attention to straight grain.
After shaping, sand lightly. Wipe with a cloth dampened with a little
vegetable oil.  Give two coats of paint or varnish.  The spar will
last for ages, and perform remarkably well.

Good Luck.

Allan
allanc@syacus.acus.oz.au
You learn a lot about the wind when you're holding it by the hand




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Date:	Tue, 31 Jan 1995 03:01:55 -1000
From:	crowell@teleport.com (Carl Crowell)
Message-Id: <crowell.334.000D088E@teleport.com>
Organization: Kites By Carl Crowell
Subject: Re: curved spars

Art Newsome <anewsome@rmii.com> writes:

>on topic: I'm wondering if some basket makers or woodworking
>types might have some help for us in creating curved spars?? 

There is a guy in Seattle (name withheld 'cus I don't want everyone bugg'n 
'em) that makes nice curved three layer laminated fighter spines.  Glues three 
layers uv wood with thu grain go'n dif'rnt ways so that they are real strong 
and stiff.  Gets the curve just right by using a vucuume mold.

carl


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Date:	Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:21:19 -1000
From:	sasaki@netope.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Message-Id: <3grerv$llk@netope.harvard.edu>
Organization: Harvard OIT Network Services
Subject: Re: Curved Spars


Many folks have recommended steam bending. While relatively easy to
do, steam bending requires skill and practice. There is an art to
knowing how much you have to "over bend" a piece of wood, it will spring
back when you remove it from the jig. Different wood requires
different amounts of steam and you have to take into account things
like grain direction and such.

I don't mean to be negative, just to warn someone who is trying this
for the first time to plan on spending a lot of time learning how to
do it. Once you have some experience, steam bending becomes pretty
easy.

-- 
Marty Sasaki            Harvard University           Sasaki Kite Fabrications
sasaki@harvard.edu      Network Services Division    90 Melrose Street
617-496-4320            10 Ware Street               Arlington, MA 02174
                        Cambridge, MA 02138-4002     phone/fax: 617-646-1925


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Date:	Fri, 3 Mar 1995 01:37:25 -1000
From:	stav@mhs-gw.gsrt.epmhs.gr (Stavroula Xatzistavrou)
Message-Id: <9503031137.AB00200@mhs-gw.gsrt.epmhs.gr>
Organization: Harvard University Office of Information Technology
Subject: Re: curved spars

THIS IS GREECE!
WILL YOU PLEASE SEND SOME MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO SEND US
WHAT ABOUT COMPUTERS? WHAT ABOUT MUSIC? WHAT ABOUT FILM NOIR -BLACK AND WHITE?


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Date:	Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:27:04 -1000
From:	chronstr@coral.bucknell.edu (Nathan)
Message-Id: <chronstr-100395092649@mack06.bucknell.edu>
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Subject: Re: curved spars

In article <9503031137.AB00200@mhs-gw.gsrt.epmhs.gr>,
stav@mhs-gw.gsrt.epmhs.gr (Stavroula Xatzistavrou) wrote:
> 
> THIS IS GREECE!
> WILL YOU PLEASE SEND SOME MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO SEND US
> WHAT ABOUT COMPUTERS? WHAT ABOUT MUSIC? WHAT ABOUT FILM NOIR -BLACK AND WHITE?


WHAT?!


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