Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 22:29:39 -1000 From: wbrooke@cln.etc.bc.ca (William Brooke) Message-Id: <1995Jan16.082939.26958@news.etc.bc.ca> Organization: The Education Technology Centre of British Columbia. (Canada) Subject: buggying and lines.. I am currently building a buggy of my own design- four whells with four wheel steering! I was wondering if there was any type of pulley system that I could mount on the buggy so that the pull (or most of it anyways) is transfered to the buggy, in other words - the kites pull the BUGGY , not ME. Any ideas, comments? Warm winds and clear skies! wbrooke@cln.etc.bc.ca = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 01:27:47 -1000 From: andrewh@phoenix.harvard.edu (Mark Johnson) Message-Id: <3fdl7j$94a@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Queen Mary & Westfield College, London, UK Subject: Re: buggying and lines.. William Brooke (wbrooke@cln.etc.bc.ca) wrote: : I was wondering if there was any type of pulley system that I could mount : on the buggy so that the pull (or most of it anyways) is transfered to : the buggy, in other words - the kites pull the BUGGY , not ME. The Peter Lynn Deadman handles for two line kites are joined by a length of webbing which normally passes round your back while flying. With buggy hooks which are two open loops bolted to the buggy frame, the webbing can be passed through the loops and hence transfer the load to the frame. Friction could be reduced by using pulleys/rope rather than hooks/web, but it would be important to be able to leap into/outof the buggy, with the handles in your hand without others to help. Perhaps a pulley with an open gate ? Andy -- ____________________________Andrew Hawken______________________________ "However many ways there may be of being alive, it is certain that there are vastly more ways of being dead" R Dawkins. Home : 0895 420110 QMW : 071 975 5542 AIIT : 0494 677045 Email : A.Hawken@QMW.AC.UK = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 20:13:15 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: buggying and lines.. Someone (it's not clear who...) writes: >William Brooke (wbrooke@cln.etc.bc.ca) wrote: >: I was wondering if there was any type of pulley system that I could mount >: on the buggy so that the pull (or most of it anyways) is transfered to >: the buggy, in other words - the kites pull the BUGGY , not ME. >With buggy hooks which are two open loops bolted to the >buggy frame, the webbing can be passed through the loops and hence >transfer the load to the frame. > >Friction could be reduced by using pulleys/rope rather than hooks/web, Yes. Rope helps. However you are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. A bit of friction helps you maintain the kite in a fixed position. However there is not enough friction to hinder you. There is no problem. >but it would be important to be able to leap into/outof the buggy, >with the handles in your hand without others to help. Perhaps a >pulley with an open gate ? There are two times when you want to dis-engage - In an emergency, you release the dead-man handle. Since the strap passes beneath your legs (ie: it is NOT a seat-belt!), your exit is not restricted. In a non-emergency, you pull the kite towards you, letting the line drop out, just like a windsurf-harness. Andrew -- Recently, both my incoming and outgoing Email has been dropped on the floor. Please use gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk until I change back to my usual .signature. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 03:22:38 -1000 From: bem@residents.frmug.fr.net (Emmanuel Bataille) Message-Id: Organization: Private Node (Paris, France) Subject: Re: buggying and lines.. wbrooke@cln.etc.bc.ca (William Brooke) ecrit : > I was wondering if there was any type of pulley system that I could mount > on the buggy so that the pull (or most of it anyways) is transfered to > the buggy, in other words - the kites pull the BUGGY , not ME. Not a good idea ! What goes on if you're pull out of the buggy ? Who is going to stop it ? You can kill some spectators with this method :( -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | L (=) B | Emmanuel Bataille (bem@residents.frmug.fr.net) | | E |/##\ ] U | AKA Member, membre AF2C, Turbulences | | T' |####>==(0) G | -------------------------------------------- | | S G |\##/ ] G | | From the home of the Residents | | | O (=) Y | -------------------------------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 21:08:13 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: buggying and lines.. bem@residents.frmug.fr.net (Emmanuel Bataille) writes: >> I was wondering if there was any type of pulley system that I could mount >> on the buggy so that the pull (or most of it anyways) is transfered to >> the buggy, in other words - the kites pull the BUGGY , not ME. > >Not a good idea ! What goes on if you're pull out of the buggy ? Who is >going to stop it ? You can kill some spectators with this method :( I both agree and dissagree: Yes. *Fixing* your kite to a buggy is a bad idea. Petere Lynn tells the story of when he tied a converted parachute to a boat. He capsized the boat (and had a *very* difficult time getting free of the lines under water), but the kite continued to fly and drag the boat across the water. The boat was recovered later that day on dry land, wedged between trees, the kite still flying. No. With dead-man release, it's not an issue. Andrew -- Read the Kite FAQ's: ftp.hawaii.edu:/pub/rec/kites/faq o /\ Kite Jumping: For sale: Prototype Keelless Rowlands Flowform. 2.3m^2 |_ \/ If you want 2.3m^2, Spectra Bridle, Flo-Yellow Carrington Fabric, US$80 (_\ to fly, use a >>Kite Fliers Site: http://www.kfs.org/kites<< andrew@tug.com Hangglider = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =