Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 03:59:09 -1000 From: crowell@teleport.com (Carl Crowell) Message-Id: Organization: Kites By Carl Crowell Subject: Grom up kiters... (was: BFK & Shanti) >The esteemed Mr. Crowell wrote: >> The fact that you yourself say the kites are 'similar' is the solution >to your >> quandry. they are not the same. to most stunt kites look the same. >Gee, when it was your kite that was being copied there was a lot of >huffing and puffing. Where is it now? huff puff... I have to admit that I am suprised that there have not been any (that i know of?) major legal actions taken by kite manufacturers defending delta designs. The only ones that I know of are looser cases by people that are on personal vendettas. Such schleps are usually quickly recognized as for who they are by the kite community and find that they can't sell a kite to save their sorry lives. But what about known rip-offs. People that even admit it. The A.K.A. has taken a stance that it is not their problem. the KTA has decided to stay out of this type of dispute. Before anyone can see there dream of the kite event in olympics, some oganization has got to have the 'nads to stand up and sanction members. How long would the ABA or the AMA last if they refused to sanction lawyers and doctors that do not maintain standards? I had a kite openly copied, both in form and graphic down to the colors. The A.K.A. did not, and to my knowledge still does not find anything wrong with this. In the latest AKA Kiting people are requested to "send a (copy) of the original work, which will be mounted and hung next to your work." When I founded the AKA Kite Art Committee it was for the purpose of promoting creativity, now it has sunk to paint by numbers kite making. huff puff... carl ___________________________________________________ email: crowell@kite.com FTP: ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/crowell WWW: http://www.teleport.com/~crowell Kites By Carl Crowell - O.S.F.M. World Headquarters = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:28:31 -1000 From: skyvis@shell.portal.com (Richard P Cornwell) Message-Id: <3l9kgf$rk6@news1.shell> Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Subject: Re: Grom up kiters... (was: BFK & Shanti) Carl Crowell (crowell@teleport.com) wrote: : >The esteemed Mr. Crowell wrote: : >> The fact that you yourself say the kites are 'similar' is the solution : >to your : >> quandry. they are not the same. to most stunt kites look the same. : >Gee, when it was your kite that was being copied there was a lot of : >huffing and puffing. Where is it now? : huff puff... I have to admit that I am suprised that there have not been any : (that i know of?) major legal actions taken by kite manufacturers defending : delta designs. The only ones that I know of are looser cases by people that : are on personal vendettas. I think the problem is that most kite manufactures have a hard enough time just making and selling product, to go after the copy cats. Also law suits are very expensive, and you don't always win. : But what about known rip-offs. People that even admit it. The A.K.A. has : taken a stance that it is not their problem. the KTA has decided to stay out : of this type of dispute. Before anyone can see there dream of the kite : event in olympics, some oganization has got to have the 'nads to stand up and : sanction members. How long would the ABA or the AMA last if they refused to : sanction lawyers and doctors that do not maintain standards? The group to handle kite manufactures cloning other kites is the KTA but not all kite manufactures are KTA members. So the only people left to police the kites is the retailer or the consumer. The problem is that there are so many kites on the market today, and lets face it many look very similar, and most (not all) retailers don't have the time or energy to research each kite they sell. They go for the best profit, and easies sell. If your kite is not well known or you don't have lots of money to advertise the you know what out of it, it is very hard to get it into stores. : In the latest AKA Kiting people are requested to "send a (copy) of the : original work, which will be mounted and hung next to your work." I have the last issue of Kiting, where does it say that? Maybe they mean a copy of what inspired the work? (i.e. my "Layla" was inspired by a picture posted to the net, and my "Skull" was drawn by a friend for me). : When I founded the AKA Kite Art Committee it was for the purpose of promoting : creativity, now it has sunk to paint by numbers kite making. Making a new design for a kite is hard work. I find that the hardest part of making my kites is coming up with paneling that are new and cost effective to produce. I have spent months of time (off and on) on new paneling schemes. Many people don't want to spend the time, they see something they like, so they copy it. If a manufacture can't design a new kite and has to copy one, then he needs to be driven out of business. Rich P.S. For the record, all of my production kites were designed by me. And I refuse to copy any kite without permission of the designer. ========================================================================== Richard & Kim Cornwell skyvis@shell.portal.com Sky Vision Kites (408) 733-9313 415-112 No. Mary Av. Suite 111 http://www.portal.com/~skyvis Sunnyvale, CA 94086 Check out our new stuff and Spring Sale. ========================================================================== = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =