Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 06:15:30 -1000 From: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com (Mr. Kiteman) Message-Id: <1994May30.111530.1@pro-entropy.cts.com> Organization: Pro-Entropy +1-305-265-9073 (DAR Systems Int'l -- Miami, FL) Subject: Kite Aerial Photography Is anyone here in the Miami area [or anywhere else for that matter] involved or interested in 'kite aerial photography'? I've done some work with a small {cheap} 110 camera that was originally a model rocket camera (the Estes 'Astrocam 110'). I have since retired it, since the picture quality was okay at best (400 speed 110-size film is moderately grainy at best). I have yet to move on to anything more advanced due to lack of time and $$$. However, I hope in the next few months to get back into it in some form. REAL Kites Have ONE Line.... Your Friendly Neighborhood Kiteman.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Pro-Entropy (C)1994 by DAR Systems International, All Rights Reserved Internet: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com Call PRO-ENTROPY for the latest chaos at 305-265-9073 (14.4K Baud) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 14:37:30 -1000 From: jdc3538@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.D. Cronin) Message-Id: <1994May31.003730.2237@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography In article <1994May30.111530.1@pro-entropy.cts.com> kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com (Mr. Kiteman) writes: >Is anyone here in the Miami area [or anywhere else for that matter] >involved or interested in 'kite aerial photography'? I've done some work >with a small {cheap} 110 camera that was originally a model rocket camera >(the Estes 'Astrocam 110'). I have since retired it, since the picture >quality was okay at best (400 speed 110-size film is moderately grainy at >best). I have yet to move on to anything more advanced due to lack of time >and $$$. However, I hope in the next few months to get back into it in >some form. > >Internet: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com I use a 35mm auto-focus/auto-wind camera with a radio-control receiver and servo to push the button. Total weight is just under a pound. It works good, but I'd like something with a shorter focal length lens to get more of the "big picture." The main thing is to keep it from vibrating and/or swinging too much. It's connected to the flying line in two places about 4 feet apart, with thin sticks attached to the connecting lines. The next project is to find an ATV (amateur TV) enthusiast with a micro TV camera and transmitter. Any takers in the Rochester, NY area? Have fun, Jim N2VNO = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 09:09:14 -1000 From: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com (Mr. Kiteman) Message-Id: <1994May31.140914.6@pro-entropy.cts.com> Organization: Pro-Entropy +1-305-265-9073 (DAR Systems Int'l -- Miami, FL) Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography jdc3538@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.D. Cronin) writes: >In article <1994May30.111530.1@pro-entropy.cts.com> kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com (Mr. Kiteman) writes: >>Is anyone here in the Miami area [or anywhere else for that matter] >>involved or interested in 'kite aerial photography'? I've done some work >>with a small {cheap} 110 camera that was originally a model rocket camera >>(the Estes 'Astrocam 110'). I have since retired it, since the picture >>quality was okay at best (400 speed 110-size film is moderately grainy at >>best). I have yet to move on to anything more advanced due to lack of time >>and $$$. However, I hope in the next few months to get back into it in >>some form. >> >>Internet: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com > >I use a 35mm auto-focus/auto-wind camera with a radio-control receiver >and servo to push the button. Total weight is just under a pound. It >works good, but I'd like something with a shorter focal length lens >to get more of the "big picture." > >The main thing is to keep it from vibrating and/or swinging too much. >It's connected to the flying line in two places about 4 feet apart, >with thin sticks attached to the connecting lines. > >The next project is to find an ATV (amateur TV) enthusiast with a >micro TV camera and transmitter. Any takers in the Rochester, NY >area? > >Have fun, >Jim N2VNO > Sorry to include the whole message, but I wanted you to know what the heck I'm talking about. (I personally forget messages if I don't quote them.) =-( There WAS a world-wide 'organization' of kite aerial photography enthusiasts centered in Brussels, Belgium. It published a quarterly newsletter in French and English, and was called "KAPWA". That stands for 'Kite Aerial Photography Worldwide Association'. As I said, WAS. The organization has temporarily disbanded (as of the end of 1993), and the newsletter is no longer produced. If you are interested, I can give you the name and address of the editor and H.M.F.I.C. , and he might correspond with you regarding what the organization is doing now (if anything). I can also give you info. here (E-Mail). However, I'm in a bit of a rush right now [got to go to work soon], so I'll have to save it for a future message. The camera/radio control rig you mentioned is common, and there are *several* suspension methods that have been used to control camera vibration. I've also read a bit about the video camera stuff, and I can pass that along to you at a later date if you wish. Good luck, Jim. [Sorry, I had to throw that in. ] Your Friendly Neighborhood Kiteman.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Pro-Entropy (C)1994 by DAR Systems International, All Rights Reserved Internet: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com Call PRO-ENTROPY for the latest chaos at 305-265-9073 (14.4K Baud) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 12:48:43 -1000 From: mgraves@leadingedg.win.net (Michael Graves) Message-Id: <490@leadingedg.win.net> Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography >The next project is to find an ATV (amateur TV) enthusiast with a >micro TV camera and transmitter. Any takers in the Rochester, NY >area? Jim, I have a good deal of experience in television.I have seen some cheap (ish) microwave wireless systems used on shoot sites to connect the camera to a production assistant for logging shots. Perhaps this is of interest? Michael Graves = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 11:41:36 -1000 From: jdc3538@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.D. Cronin) Message-Id: <1994Jun2.214136.821@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology References: <1994May30.111530.1@pro-entropy.cts.com>,<1994May31.003730.2237@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,<490@leadingedg.win.net> ^ ^-illegal reference separator \-illegal reference separator Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography In article <490@leadingedg.win.net> mgraves@leadingedg.win.net (Michael Graves) writes: > >>The next project is to find an ATV (amateur TV) enthusiast with a >>micro TV camera and transmitter. Any takers in the Rochester, NY >>area? > >Jim, > >I have a good deal of experience in television.I have seen some >cheap (ish) microwave wireless systems used on shoot sites to >connect the camera to a production assistant for logging shots. >Perhaps this is of interest? > >Michael Graves > The transmitter isn't a problem. I just don't want to drop $250-300 on a low-res monochrome video camera that doesn't have too many other uses. Jim = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 16:58:54 -1000 From: rock@netcom.com (Anne Rock) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography Mr. Kiteman (kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com) wrote: : Is anyone here in the Miami area [or anywhere else for that matter] : involved or interested in 'kite aerial photography'? Yep, I am, one might even say mildly obsessed, in the elsewhere Republic of Berkeley ;-) There are two collections of articles in the rec.kites archives (ftp.hawaii.edu): pub/rec/kites/tips/kite.aerial.photography pub/rec/kites/tips/aerial.photography An article I wrote is included in the first collection above; the article is somewhat out-of-date as I have two newer systems (one light weight, no r/c, point-and-shoot camera; the other r/c with 3 servos, 35mm SLR camera, but much lighter than the rig described in the article). I mention the article because there's a listing at the end for Super Circuits, which sells incredibly tempting lightweight video equipment. The AKA has just created a committee for kite aerial photography; the committee plans to publish a quarterly newsletter on kite aerial photography, first issue out late summer/early fall. If you aren't an AKA member, this might encourage you to join (AKA has members worldwide). Initially, the newsletter will be available at no charge to any member seriously interested or active in kite aerial photography. Call 1-800-AKA-2550 or email kyteman@aol.com (Brooks Leffler, executive director of AKA and kite aerial photographer) or: American Kitefliers Association 1559 Rockville Pike Rockville, MD 20852-1651 USA The deadline for the first issue is July 1, and the main subject will be "cradles (camera mounts & radio/control rigs)." Sketches, pictures, brief notes, etc. are welcome. Send to Steve Eisenhauer (chair of the committee who will be putting together the newsletter along with Brooks) c/o of the AKA address. Craig Wilson (if you've been a subscriber to KAPWA you've seen some of his pictures) has just finished putting together a video system to use in conjunction with a 35mm SLR. I imagine he'll write about it for the new AKA publication, but if you want to do something now, you might look him up in the AKA directory. : Your Friendly Neighborhood Kiteman.... This is just a personal preference, but I feel a lot friendlier toward people who occasionally sign their real names .... Anne -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * Anne Rock | * * rock@netcom.com | * * Berkeley, CA | * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 09:02:42 -1000 From: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com (Mr. Kiteman) Message-Id: <1994Jun5.140242.100@pro-entropy.cts.com> Organization: Pro-Entropy +1-305-265-9073 (DAR Systems Int'l -- Miami, FL) Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography Thanks for all the info. It's definitely a 'keeper'. As for my name, just call me "Al". I'm horribly introverted and prefer to be known as 'Kiteman' on the 'ol info. highway. Your Friendly Neighborhood Kiteman.... Miami, Florida E_Mail Address: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Pro-Entropy (C)1994 by DAR Systems International, All Rights Reserved Internet: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com Call PRO-ENTROPY for the latest chaos at 305-265-9073 (14.4K Baud) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 17:50:16 -1000 From: mgraves@leadingedg.win.net (Michael Graves) Message-Id: <497@leadingedg.win.net> References: <1994May30.111530.1@pro-entropy.cts.com>,<1994May31.003730.2237@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,<490@leadingedg.win.net> <1994Jun2.214136.821@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ^ ^-illegal reference separator \-illegal reference separator Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography In article <1994Jun2.214136.821@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, J.D. Cronin (jdc3538@ultb.isc.rit.edu) writes: >The transmitter isn't a problem. I just don't want to drop >$250-300 on a low-res monochrome video camera that doesn't have >too many other uses. Try to find used security equipment for the best prices. You can likely get B&W tube type cameras easily, CCD type cameras are better for low power consumption and shock resistance. I have seen cameras around $125 sometimes. Surplus electroncs places ar a good bet as well. Michael Graves = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 19:43:01 -1000 From: kyteman@aol.com (Kyteman) Message-Id: <2sud15$q0j@search01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography In article <1994Jun5.140242.100@pro-entropy.cts.com>, kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com (Mr. Kiteman) writes: << As for my name, just call me "Al". I'm horribly introverted and prefer to be known as 'Kiteman' on the 'ol info. highway. >> Problem with that, "Al", is that George Maurer is also called "Kiteman" and I'm "Kyteman", and we've both been here longer than you have. We won't tell the world on you if you want to come out of the shadows. chin UP Brooks Leffler kyteman@aol.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 17:19:34 -1000 From: sackbut!andys@netop3.harvard.edu (Andy Schoenhofer) Message-Id: Organization: Worts of Distinction | Kitchener, Ontario, Canada Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography rock@netcom.com (Anne Rock) writes: > Yep, I am, one might even say mildly obsessed, in the elsewhere Republic > of Berkeley ;-) Kite photos have been a longtime interest of mine too, however I have only made one experiment and wanted more information, which the rest of your message amply supplied. Thanks and see you in the pages of the new newsletter, it sounds interesting. Yrs &c., Andy ----------------------------------------------- andys@sackbut.UUCP (Andy Schoenhofer) Kitchener, Ontario, Canada = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 23:13:00 -1000 From: david.town@darkside.gwinnett.com (David Town) Message-Id: <3062.433.uupcb@darkside.gwinnett.com> Organization: The Dark Side BBS - Ocean City, NJ - 609-391-0987 Subject: KITE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY TO:kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com Greetings... Yes, I was involved in kite aerial photography for quite a number of years. I'd be happy to try to answer any specific questions you might have. The equipment I used was a Canon AE-1 with a motor drive, and a 2 channel radio control unit used in radio control planes. Drop me a note with your questions, and I'll get back to you. Dave Town david.town@darkside.gwinnett.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 05:15:54 -1000 From: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com (Mr. Kiteman) Message-Id: <1994Jun13.101554.349@pro-entropy.cts.com> Organization: Pro-Entropy +1-305-265-9073 (DAR Systems Int'l -- Miami, FL) Subject: Re: KITE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY Hello, Dave. I've seen your name several times in regards to kite aerial photography stuff (I am a member of KAPWA). My kite photography work has been on hiatus for a looooooong time (too long) due to lack of time and money. I hope to get back into it soon. Thanks for the info. on the camera. I'll keep it in mind. BTW, can this camera also be used with just a timer control? Your Friendly Neighborhood Kiteman Miami, Florida E_Mail Address: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Pro-Entropy (C)1994 by DAR Systems International, All Rights Reserved Internet: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com aka: Allan E. Gaines Call PRO-ENTROPY for the latest chaos at 305-265-9073 (14.4K Baud) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 15:55:07 -1000 From: motnayr@aol.com (MOTNAYR) Message-Id: <30n8tr$iqo@search01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography In article <1994May30.111530.1@pro-entropy.cts.com>, kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com (Mr. Kiteman) writes: I have taken over 100 aerial photographs with my kite with a bracket that I built and also sell. If you are interested in my experience please respond via E-mail. Good Luck, Tom = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:49:34 -1000 From: dickbell@netcom.com (Dick Bell) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <1994May30.111530.1@pro-entropy.cts.com>,<30n8tr$iqo@search01.news.aol.com> ^-illegal reference separator Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography MOTNAYR (motnayr@aol.com) wrote: : In article <1994May30.111530.1@pro-entropy.cts.com>, : kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com (Mr. Kiteman) writes: : I have taken over 100 aerial photographs with my kite with a bracket that : I built and also sell. If you are interested in my experience please : respond via E-mail. Tom, could you give us a detailed description of the bracket and how it works? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dick Bell dickbell@netcom.com Dallas, Texas = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 04:36:43 -1000 From: andym@iso_1.iso.port.ac.uk (Andrew Millson) Message-Id: Organization: University of Portsmouth, U.K. Subject: Kite Aerial Photography? Right i can grasp the idea of thias one, set the autotimer to some sensobile figure and launch the kite, but how do ytou mount the camera under the kite, are there special harnesses for this, and can the be mounted under most kites, or are there specific kite designs for carrying cameras? Andym = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 15:36:01 -1000 From: kyteman@aol.com (Kyteman) Message-Id: <311pa1$oui@search01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography? In the rec.kites FAQs, there is a sizable body of info about Kite Aerial Photography, which will answer your questions. don't ask me how to connect with them, because I haven't ever done so. that info should be available somewhere. brooks leffler kyteman@aol.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 02:15:08 -1000 From: jastaple@cen.ex.ac.uk (J.A.Staplehurst) Message-Id: Organization: University of Exeter, UK. Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography? Andy - I don't seem to be able to e-mail you; your domain-name comes up as unknown. However - try to get hold of the book by Ron Moulton and Pat Lloyd - I think it's just called 'Kites' - it's got a great chapter on KAP. If you e-mail me, I might be able to send you more info. BCNU -- John Staplehurst Tel: 0392 - 264875 St. Luke's Theatre, School of Education, University of Exeter, UK -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 13:10:10 -1000 From: mauricio@tezcat.com (Mauricio Araujo) Message-Id: <31454i$f8i@xochi.tezcat.com> Organization: Tezcat.COM, Chicago References: , ^-illegal reference separator Subject: Re: Kite Aerial Photography? J.A.Staplehurst (jastaple@cen.ex.ac.uk) wrote: : Andy - I don't seem to be able to e-mail you; your domain-name : comes up as unknown. However - try to get hold of the book by : Ron Moulton and Pat Lloyd - I think it's just called 'Kites' - : it's got a great chapter on KAP. It is called "Kites A Practical Handbook." It is "Printed in Great Britain." Its ISBN is 1-85486-050-X. The publisher is Argus Books; their address is Argus House at Boundary Way, Hemel Hempstead, Herts HP2 7ST, England. The book can be found from the usual sources, KiteLines, etc. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =